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Fake AI vs Real AI

02 July 2026 29:55 Kevin Henrikson and Jason Shafton

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EPISODE 63

Kevin and Jason go solo for a no-guest, no-filter breakdown of everything that happened to them in the past week. Kevin recaps the call center conference where one simple question, "What's your stack?", exposed an industry of companies bolting AI onto decades-old businesses, including one whose "AI" turned out to be an outsourced team manually shipping WAV files back and forth. From there they get to the real thesis: the money in AI isn't in building the brain (the foundation models) but in building the nervous system that wires that intelligence into unglamorous, real-world businesses. They dig into why taste and error correction are the durable moat, two practical on-ramps for any company trying to go AI-native, pointing agents directly at business KPIs, and Jason's full stack for turning client calls into interactive proposals. They close on the strange new category of "renting humans," why the marginal cost of everything is heading toward zero, and why the human premium, like live shows, real conversations, and white-glove service, only goes up from here.


CHAPTERS

00:54 – "What's your stack?" The conference that exposed fake AI

04:16 – Build the nervous system, not the brain

07:24 – Why taste and error correction are the real moat

10:08 – How to go AI-native (or credibly bolt it on)

15:38 – Pointing AI agents at your KPIs

17:03 – Jason's full AI proposal stack

21:43 – Renting humans and the new AI category

23:55 – Abundance, robots, and the rising human premium

28:39 – The Founder Mode Top Five


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